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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s Responsible for Students&#8217; Success?</title>
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		<title>By: mrshawke</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Mrs. Burns! Thank you so much for your comments. You are so right about the time after meetings (like today&#039;s!); I&#039;m always past ready to get out of school and get home to my family at 3:30 -- even more so at 4:30... 

I&#039;ve had situations like the one you describe. Many  students don&#039;t feel they have any responsibility in the learning process. They expect to be spoon-fed everything, and they want to find someone else to blame for whatever happens to them. Of course, they take this laisser faire attitude with them when they leave school and enter the &quot;real&quot; world. Something has to be done.

So I do my share by holding students accountable. Last semester was my first at Langston, as you probably know, and many of my students last semester were completely appalled that I was so strict about everything (formatting work, adhering to policies, controlling behavior and attitudes, etc.). I had a very difficult time at first. My students this semester weren&#039;t surprised because they had already heard how &quot;mean&quot; I was. :P But the thing is, now that they&#039;re acting better, I don&#039;t have to be as strict and mean. One of my students the other day was yelling through the wall (it&#039;s plaster stuff with a hole cut out around the lighting units... :/) at me (and I paraphrase): &quot;I love you, Mrs. Hawke. They all say you&#039;re mean, but you&#039;re really not!&quot;

As far as spelling and grammar go, I&#039;m not giving up! I don&#039;t care how they talk/text to their friends and family, but they need to know how to seem presentable to adults, especially employers (many of whom don&#039;t know all the rules either??) I told my students that, regardless of whether they like it or not, if they can&#039;t communicate using standard English, people are going to think they&#039;re stupid, even though I know and they know it&#039;s not the case.

I&#039;m wondering how your class discussion on responsibility ended up. Did any of your students understand where you were coming from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mrs. Burns! Thank you so much for your comments. You are so right about the time after meetings (like today&#8217;s!); I&#8217;m always past ready to get out of school and get home to my family at 3:30 &#8212; even more so at 4:30&#8230; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had situations like the one you describe. Many  students don&#8217;t feel they have any responsibility in the learning process. They expect to be spoon-fed everything, and they want to find someone else to blame for whatever happens to them. Of course, they take this laisser faire attitude with them when they leave school and enter the &#8220;real&#8221; world. Something has to be done.</p>
<p>So I do my share by holding students accountable. Last semester was my first at Langston, as you probably know, and many of my students last semester were completely appalled that I was so strict about everything (formatting work, adhering to policies, controlling behavior and attitudes, etc.). I had a very difficult time at first. My students this semester weren&#8217;t surprised because they had already heard how &#8220;mean&#8221; I was. :P But the thing is, now that they&#8217;re acting better, I don&#8217;t have to be as strict and mean. One of my students the other day was yelling through the wall (it&#8217;s plaster stuff with a hole cut out around the lighting units&#8230; :/) at me (and I paraphrase): &#8220;I love you, Mrs. Hawke. They all say you&#8217;re mean, but you&#8217;re really not!&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as spelling and grammar go, I&#8217;m not giving up! I don&#8217;t care how they talk/text to their friends and family, but they need to know how to seem presentable to adults, especially employers (many of whom don&#8217;t know all the rules either??) I told my students that, regardless of whether they like it or not, if they can&#8217;t communicate using standard English, people are going to think they&#8217;re stupid, even though I know and they know it&#8217;s not the case.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering how your class discussion on responsibility ended up. Did any of your students understand where you were coming from?</p>
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		<title>By: Martha Burns`</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha Burns`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I just read a few of the things on your website. I would love to talk to you sometime. I teach mentally retarded students in the 9th and 10th grade math and science--housed over here in the gym building at Langston. I guess we&#039;d just as well be on another campus, as much as we see each other. When we have a teacher&#039;s meeting, we just want to GET OUT and go home! I am doing homebased instruction as well, so this doesn&#039;t leave much time to converse. I love the pictures pointing out the mistakes, I&#039;m afraid we&#039;ll see more and more of these as the years of email and texting go by. Spelling and grammar will just have to take a back seat I suppose. The thing I wanted to comment on was the article, &quot;Who&#039;s Responsible for Students&#039; Success&quot; as this has just been an issue with my students on Friday. One said,&quot;You aren&#039;t teaching us what we should be learning.&quot; I subsequently wrote on the board,&quot;Teachers Teach, Students Learn.&quot; Unfortunately, today&#039;s students don&#039;t realize that they have to do more than come to school (some don&#039;t even do that) to learn. I suppose they think that just by coming they are supposed to learn. Who knows where the world will take these lovelies?--probably right back to the environments that they grew up in--looking forward to the &quot;check&quot; that they get for their &quot;disability&quot; that some are always talking about! It is so sad that some could actually do better--if they only knew it and would try &quot;just a little!&quot; It probably is true about the &quot;regular&quot; students as well -- they could probably also do more than they are!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I just read a few of the things on your website. I would love to talk to you sometime. I teach mentally retarded students in the 9th and 10th grade math and science&#8211;housed over here in the gym building at Langston. I guess we&#8217;d just as well be on another campus, as much as we see each other. When we have a teacher&#8217;s meeting, we just want to GET OUT and go home! I am doing homebased instruction as well, so this doesn&#8217;t leave much time to converse. I love the pictures pointing out the mistakes, I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;ll see more and more of these as the years of email and texting go by. Spelling and grammar will just have to take a back seat I suppose. The thing I wanted to comment on was the article, &#8220;Who&#8217;s Responsible for Students&#8217; Success&#8221; as this has just been an issue with my students on Friday. One said,&#8221;You aren&#8217;t teaching us what we should be learning.&#8221; I subsequently wrote on the board,&#8221;Teachers Teach, Students Learn.&#8221; Unfortunately, today&#8217;s students don&#8217;t realize that they have to do more than come to school (some don&#8217;t even do that) to learn. I suppose they think that just by coming they are supposed to learn. Who knows where the world will take these lovelies?&#8211;probably right back to the environments that they grew up in&#8211;looking forward to the &#8220;check&#8221; that they get for their &#8220;disability&#8221; that some are always talking about! It is so sad that some could actually do better&#8211;if they only knew it and would try &#8220;just a little!&#8221; It probably is true about the &#8220;regular&#8221; students as well &#8212; they could probably also do more than they are!</p>
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